How much is spent for healthcare on illegal immigrants? It’s hard to say

By Tracy Buffington/Executive Editor
Saturday, Sep 06, 2008 - 02:08:55 am CDT

Editor's note: Immigration 101 is a series of stories looking at immigration issues in the Fremont area. The series will cover a variety of topics and run occasionally throughout the next several weeks. Today we look at the cost of healthcare.

In emergency situations, hospitals across the nation must provide care.

Federal regulations prohibit hospitals such as Fremont Area Medical Center from withholding treatment from patients in an emergency condition - including childbirth - regardless of the patient’s financial status.

Across the nation, hospital emergency rooms have become the basic healthcare provider for those who do not have insurance and cannot afford visits to a family physician. Among those are immigrants to the United States - both legal and illegal.

How much do these emergency room visits cost Dodge County residents? And how much of that cost can be attributed to illegal immigrants?

There are no simple answers.

But FAMC officials, in a fact sheet provided to the Mayor’s Task Force on Immigration, tried to answer those questions.

Privacy regulations can make it difficult - if not impossible - to find the actual answer about illegal immigrants. While hospital personnel require identification during the registration process, they aren’t allowed to determine the legal status of patients.

Also, FAMC is required to gather racial information about its patients for various purposes, but the law prohibits the hospital from inquiring about resident status.

Over the past six years, as the Hispanic population in Dodge County grew by about 66 percent to 6.6 percent of the overall population, the percentage of Hispanic patients at FAMC remained relatively constant, officials said.

Hispanics, the ethnic group most often associated with illegal immigration, made up 6 percent of the emergency care patients, 14 percent of the obstetrical care patients and 5 percent of the inpatient care patients, the fact sheet said.

Another constant has been the percentage of Charity Care and bad debt expense - the two categories of unreimbursed care the hospital offers. Hispanics are responsible for about 10 percent of the Charity Care and bad debt expense, the fact sheet said.

During that same time, the hospital had seen its Charity Care expense increase from about $1 million in 2001 to $1.5 million in 2008 and its bad debt expense increase from $1 million to almost $4 million.

FAMC officials, in the fact sheet, attributed those increases to the growth in its service volumes, inflation and an increasing number of uninsured and underinsured patients.

Hospital officials said the Charity Care and bad debt expense attributable to all Hispanic patients is $300,000 to $500,000 per year. They cannot, however, break out how much of that might have benefited illegal immigrants because they are prohibited from asking a patient’s resident status.

That leaves about $4 million to $4.2 million in Charity Care and bad debt expense attributable to all other patients.

FAMC officials are not able to answer exactly the question: How much does healthcare for illegal immigrants cost the hospital? But they and task force members said it appears the use of the Charity Care and bad debt expense by Hispanic patients is proportional to their use of hospital services.

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Thanks for nothing task force
Sep 6, 2008 3:04 AM
So basically the task force has provided us with no relevant information to the illegal immigration issue.

1) They do not have any hard facts from the hospital as to the amount of illegal immigrants who utilize the services.

2) By comparing Hispanic data, they imply that illegal immigrants are Hispanic and add fuel to the racial debate where there should be none.

Way to go task force!

That pointed out, we need to pressure the Federal government to stop allowing for anchor babies. Hospitals can still provide services if a mother in labor shows up, but unless one of the parents can show they are a citizen, their child(ren) should not automatically become a citizen.

This would deter mothers from making their way across the borders (all of them) for the sole purpose of having their children be American citizens automatically and would also help, in the long run, to cut down on some of the issues that we're having with overcrowding in schools.

(When I say "we" I mean the country as a whole, not just Fremont, Nebraska. Contrary to what folks think, there is a great big world out there outside our city limits.)
bottom line
Sep 6, 2008 9:44 AM
To Thanks for nothing:

I wondered if it was going to be within the first three posts whether or not the task force would be criticiced or not. Congratulations to you for making it the first.

The article is merely a recap of the data collected by FAMC during the registration process. The collected data was given to the task force. The task force had nothing to do with determining numbers. They are simply gathering facts to make a recommendation concerning illegal immigration. By the way, the data is hard figures (though you claim the are no hard figures in the article). Do you honestly believe FAMC would corraborate with the task force to lie about the numbers? If this is the case, your issues run deeper than the immigration issue. FAMC clearly stated they do not and are not legally bound to inquire about residency. They are required to give aid in the event of emergencies.

Because the article didn't say Americans are giving 22 billion dollars annually to illegals, as your hillbilly friends from commuinities elsewhere claim, you want to attack the task force? I say kudos to the force for actually researching local data and the effect immigration has on Fremont.

In third grade reading comprehension I learned to analyze what I read. You must have been sick those days it was taught.
umm...
Sep 6, 2008 10:31 AM
Ok so this was really only a study on how many mexicans are treated. there are white and black people uninsured or underinsured. And you'd be surprised how many mexicans do pay for their care. Illegal or not they pay for their visits up front or make payments. Not each mexican is on state welfare but it goes both ways. Other races are on state funding too. State aide was placed a long time ago before this "rise" in mexicans. Think about that. At least the task force is investigating.
CW
Sep 6, 2008 10:56 AM
Thanks for nothing ... I agree with you 100%. You shouldnt be a legal citizen of this country just because you were born here. That just gives people an incentive to run to our country and have a child, then they can complain about how we are tearing their family apart when we want to deport the parents for breaking the law.

Let's just say for one moment that the amount of charity care and bad debt from illegals is 100,000 a year (I'd be willing to bet it's more) That is still a large amount of money, and it should be viewed as a serious issue. Just look at the numbers, regardless of how much money is due to legals and how much is due to illegals, it's still an issue that should be dealt with.
Negative Ned
Sep 6, 2008 11:31 AM
I certainly hope we are not paying this task force anything!!!!!!

Holy nothing information Batman!

Is the kind of resources a Harvard degree can get you? I think a graduate of the learning center could have gotten this.

You people just don't get it do you? You have insulted the people of Fremont and you just keep doing it. They are "mad as heck" and getting madder by the day with your mishandling of this situation. Has anyone else noticed that when it comes to information on the "task force" or our city government, it's always "Tracy Buffington/Executive Editor" who writes the article. He is like the city council and mayor's manure spreader, just plain slinging the crap for them. This isn't news OR progress.

I hope that all Fremont citizens will wake up the fact that we have some very self serving politicians in our city, state, and federal government. The elections coming up are some of the most important in the history of our country. I say to everyone, get informed on all candidates running for public office. Don't just listen to the evening bias news, get online and research things. Its our future and our childrens future that is at stake.
scoop
Sep 6, 2008 1:34 PM
When you have a job and a permanant address, it's a lot easier to collect the money.Once your credit it ruined,what do you do then,move on??Most of us can't.
To bottom line
Sep 6, 2008 11:29 PM
"In third grade reading comprehension I learned to analyze what I read. You must have been sick those days it was taught."

Thanks I needed the laugh. Tell you what if you can tell me where it states in this article any facts about ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION vs. Hispanic use/payment and use/payment of other races I'll be the first to apologize.

If YOU take the time to comprehend correctly you would see that this is NOT data based on illegal immigrants. Know how I know that? Hospitals are not allowed to determine status of the individuals they serve so there are no facts as they relate to illegal immigrants. (Even the article presented from the task force states: "FAMC has no information that would show how much Charity Care and Bad Debt Expense is related to undocumented aliens as the law prohibits them from inquiring about resident status.")

The facts that are presented are concerning Hispanics vs. other races. That has nothing at all to do with illegal immigrants as not all illegal immigrants are Hispanic.

The truth of the matter is that the task force can provide all the data that it wants to about the Hispanics in our community, but it has nothing to do with illegal immigration.

They will never be able to present us with facts concerning the true cost and benefits of illegal immigrants because:

1) The Federal government rarely does it's job in enforcing illegal immigration.

2) You can't tell an illegal immigrant simply by looking at the color of their skin.

3) Hospitals and schools do not check the legality of the status information they are provided.

4) I highly doubt, as I've stated before, that illegal immigrants are going to come forward and admit that they are not here legally.

Read my comments again. I said the task force has given us no relevant information regarding ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION and I stand by that comment.
Andy Schnatz
Sep 7, 2008 8:22 AM
All this task force is a cover up that they are doing something. This is a Fremont problem so why is Hormel on the task force?? They are out side city limits. Also stated there are Hispanic leaders on it also. Well??? I didn't know they had any leaders. :)
It seems that almost everyone there is against any ordenance we should have. Mr C Janseen told me said Skip cried because of what people now thought of him. He lost and will never gain the respect a mayor deserves now or ever. A leader needs respect to lead a city and that is something he never will have.:(
fremonter
Sep 7, 2008 10:02 AM
you dont really think that they are going to tell us how much the illegals are costing us do you? if they did this whole country would be in a civil war. its just like the stats we hear about vietnam, iraq, afganistan, or any other war we are involved in. the government never give us the real stats. anyone who thinks i am wrong is really in need of a reality check.
fremonter
Sep 7, 2008 10:06 AM
task force? what a joke. anyone who believes this is nuts. whats wrong with you people? its all just a bunch of baloney to appease you people that can be fooled very easily. it still works dosent it?
Alissa Moreli
Sep 7, 2008 6:42 PM
Did any of you read the study? regardless of whether the hispanic community in this study was legal or not, they still don't make a large dent in the debt that FAMC has acquired. Secondly, if you take the rest of the percentage and split that between all other races, each will still come up higher then the hispanic community illegal or not. I can only imagine what individual like some of you will start doing with other races. And you all claim this is not a race issue? Give me a break! and ummm Andy perhaps you should seriously look at your questions before you post this. Why is Hormel on the task force? Because it is claimed that they are one of the top two companies in our county which hire illegal immigrants, you should've known this since your a frequent blogger. Those who work there I assume reside in our county which includes FREMONT hence their on the committee?? Get a clue. In ref to your comment from C Janseen which I can only assume is Charlie Janssen...well if you believe anything that man tells you then you must believe that there is a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow to. Now for the rest of you who love to critique this new task force I say this to you.....create a task force of your very own and get the facts and let's see how well you do...? Of course I can see that never happening since the majority of you just continue to sit on your backside and have no other ambition in your life but to create havoc in others.
Upward and onward Fremont and ALL is residents!
Thanks for nothing task force
Sep 8, 2008 7:21 AM
Alissa-

In one breath you complain that people are pretending this isn't a race issue, while in the next applauding a task force whose information is nothing but fuel to the racial fire. They're the ones who are presenting this information in the form of one race versus every other race. What purpose did that serve in relation to illegal immigration? They know the hospital has no real facts concerning illegal immigration in relation to the use and payment of their services.

You point out that Hispanics, documented or not, are not making a large dent in the debt of FAMC, then say that if you take every other race and divide it their percentage is still lower than that of the other races.

1) What does that tell us about illegal immigration? Nothing. It only tells us that Hispanics make up a small percentage of the debt. Whoopie. I don't care. I never have cared because this isn't a Hispanics vs everyone else issue. Or at least shouldn't be. This is an illegal immigrant issue and again they come in all races.

2) How many races did you divide that by?

Don't want this to be a racial issue and think the task force is doing such a great job? Then ask them to provide real facts about illegal immigrants when they present a specific topic instead of racial data. When they start doing that I'll applaud them.

I'm not stupid enough, however, to believe that'll happen. The only information, based on facts, that actually pertains to illegal immigration would have to come from the Federal government who has the final say in deciding if someone actually is an illegal immigrant or not. Seeing as how they rarely enforce this issue even their so called "facts" will be skewed. Remember when representatives met with law enforcement in our community and told them they don't have the ability to check out every single report, only those who are considered major criminals?

I could be wrong, and I'm sure they'll be those folks who tell me I am, but I think the real purpose in presenting this information regarding the hospital wasn't to present real facts concerning illegal immigrants (because there was no way for them to present any as hospitals can't check status) but rather, a way for them to keep the racial debate alive so that no one focuses on the real issue at hand. If everyone is preoccupied with arguing over Hispanics vs. everyone else, they don't really have to present any real facts, do they?
cheering you on...
Sep 8, 2008 8:07 AM
Re: Alissa...

WELL SAID!!!!
To Thanks for Nothing
Sep 8, 2008 8:09 AM
Dear Thanks for Nothing:

Please answer me this. If the hospital can't tell you how much it costs to provide health care to illegal immigrants, how can those who say illegal immigrants are costing this city and county?

It seems to me that you can't have it both ways. If the hospital can't provide factual information on illegal immigrants, neither can those who say it cost us thousands of dollars.

At least the hospital attempted to provide some facts. Have others?
LadyM
Sep 8, 2008 8:13 AM
In case any of you care for figures, try this one on:

Last year the tax burden for all American citizens and legal immigrants was a whopping $338 BILLION dollars. That was what illegal immigration cost taxpayers. That doesn't include what it cost to prosecute and jail them.

Not alot right? Dream on!

These task forces only tell you what your politician wants you to know, not what is actually going on. Get the facts yourself.
Thanks for nothing task force
Sep 8, 2008 8:46 AM
To: To Thanks for Nothing

I have never stated one way or another which side of the immigration debate I am on. In fact, if you look at my previous post to which I respond to "bottom line" I state: "They will never be able to present us with facts concerning the true cost and benefits of illegal immigrants" Notice I say Costs AND Benefits. I want information either way. So I suppose if you want to know the answer to your question, you'll have to ask those who are saying illegal immigration is costing us.

If it was the job of the task force to present us with information regarding the racial breakdown of those who use the services of FAMC and what amount of those services get paid for, I would say kudos to the task force. However, that's not what they were intended to do. They were put in place to discuss illegal immigration and to this date have only added fuel to a racial debate where none should be. They have provided no real, clear, cold, hard, FACTS about illegal immigration and the cost/benefit to our community.

Please don't mistake my frustration with the task force for some frustration at FAMC. Your last comment implies that somehow that's the case when it's not. They provided the data they could and the taskforce, knowing full well that it did not provide information on illegal immigration, chose to utilize it and present it in a way that the vast majority would overlook that it's about race and not about illegal immigration.

Give me a break. Others might fall for this but I'm not so stupid. This is race based information not illegal immigrant based information.
whg
Sep 8, 2008 9:01 AM
Since when is childbirth a medical emergency? First there is 9 months to prepare for it, second it is a natural occurrence that happens every minute of everyday, of every year. Women all over the word have babies without being hospitalized. Only here in this country to we away special medical services to people who shouldn't be here in the first place and neither need it or can afford it. All the while making citizens pay for the care and turning them away at the door.
mark boree
Sep 8, 2008 11:44 AM
1 hospitals should know if there illegal immigrants or not after they fill out paper work(if the immigrant fills it out.everyone has 2 its the rules) all hospitals have them they have 2 they might not beable to just give them information becasue of hipaa and were are giving up are tax money 2 help illegal immigrants and the task force
Tom
Sep 8, 2008 12:46 PM
I predict it's gonna' get worse in Fremont. Failure to kick illegals in the butt merely attracts them. They work cheap initially but soon prove they're just like every other human on the planet. They want more. Sadly, this group, having already proven their propensity to violate the law, simply continues to abuse the system until FORCED out. Even when paid enough to afford what citizens pay, they often continue to seek social services and even scam the systems. I'm never gonna' understand why social services cannot ask about citizenship. We're all asked for identification every day, often two forms of ID. It's absurd and eventually will bankrupt us.
Momma
Sep 8, 2008 12:50 PM
To CW:
Then I guess none of us should be legal citizens (except for Native Americans). If you really want to get into changing the 14th Amendment of the Constitution, well, good luck to you!!
T Rex
Sep 8, 2008 8:37 PM
It's not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how the strong man stumbled, or when the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena; whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions and spends himself in a worth cause; who at the best, knows in the end the triumph of high achievement; and who at the worst if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory or defeat.
LSB
Sep 8, 2008 11:56 PM
To Momma... that is the beauty of our constitution, it can be changed! No, it is not easy but if the people of our nation want it changed and the majority agree on the change it can be done. If people see something that needs/should be changed just say "oh, it is too hard to change it so we will just let it go." where would we be today? Blacks would still be slaves and only rich white men would have the right to vote.

Do you remember prohibition? This was a perfect example. The constitution was changed and guess what? It didn't work out so it was changed back! BEAUTY!

If you read CW's post it is about people who are not legal citizens of the USA giving birth across our boarders and their offspring automatically become a citizen because they were born on US territory. Most ( I assume anyway) that are posting here woere born in the USA t legal citizens. Because their parents were citizens it would also make them a citizen, not just the fact that they were born on US land. This is how many other nations handle citizenship. Being born in France does not make you a citizen, but if your parents are French citizens then you would also be a French citizen no matter where you were born.
C L
Sep 9, 2008 6:31 PM
This article is a joke. It states that Latinos constitute about 10percent of Charity Care expense. The majority of Hispanics are US citizens, or legal residents. So to imply that all the people who use these medical services are undocumented workers is ludicrous.

In any event, immigrants are tax-payers and they should benefits from the programs their taxes support. According to the Social Security Administration, it is estimated that illegal immigrants have paid $450 billion to the SS security fund. Immigrant Households and Businesses Generate Billions: In 2005, immigrant households and businesses paid approximately $300 billion in federal, state, and local taxes: $165 billion in federal income taxes, $85 billion in state and local income taxes, and $50 billion in business taxes. Immigrants Pay More in Taxes Than They Use in Services Over Their Lifetimes: Depending on skills and level of education, each immigrant pays, on average, between $20,000 and $80,000 more in taxes than he or she consumes in public benefits. Seventy five percent of immigrants arrive in the United States when they are in their prime working years. With 80 million baby-boomers retiring in the next 20 years, most of them white, it will be these immigrants who will be support Social Security so that these elderly people won't die in poverty and without healthcare.


What about the 90percent of the people who are taking advantage of these medical programs? That's the ones people should be whining about. But of course, they want to play the "illegal alien" card, so they don't.
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From the mayor's task force

In the interest of providing the general public with facts, the Immigration Task Force will be providing information from various sources in Fremont, Nebraska to supply information relevant to our city. The goal is to provide accurate and much needed information to help people in establishing their own opinions as they relate to immigration in our city. As the Hispanic population represents the bulk of Fremont’s immigrant population, our comments will tend to focus on this population as many of the questions we have before us are most accurately defined with that related data.

The first area we would like to address is health care. Before we begin a presentation of the data, there are three points which must be considered:

The first point is that hospitals have requirements which limit the information that they can and should report. Secondly, hospitals are required to care for all patients in an emergency condition (including childbirth) regardless of the patient’s financial status. Third, hospitals require identification during the registration process, but they are not allowed to determine if the patient is an undocumented alien.

FAMC has essentially two categories of unreimbursed care: Charity Care and Bad Debts. Bills are categorized as Charity Care only when FAMC can verify that a patient does not have the resources (such as assets or income) to make payment arrangements. FAMC is a not-for-profit organization and it views the provision of these charity services as part of its mission to serve the community. FAMC does pursue all other unpaid bills, and as with most other businesses, some portion of these accounts may be ultimately "written off" due to a patient’s inability to pay.

Look at the last 7 years, a time in which census data shows an increase of specifically the Hispanic population in Dodge County rising from 1,421 in 2000 to 2,363 in 2007, the amount of Charity Care at FAMC has remained at roughly 1% of Gross Charges. Data also shows that Charity Care at FAMC has increased from roughly $1 million in 2001 to $1.5 million in 2008. During that same period, Bad Debts have grown from 1.3% of gross charges in 2001 to 2.2% in 2008. The actual amount of Bad Debt Expense has grown from about $1 million in 2001 to almost $4 million in 2008. The reasons for these increases include growth in FAMC service volumes, inflation and an increasing number of uninsured and underinsured patients.

FAMC has no information that would show how much Charity Care and Bad Debt Expense is related to undocumented aliens as the law prohibits them from inquiring about resident status. FAMC is required to gather some information related to the racial composition of its patients for various purposes. For these reasons it is only possible for FAMC to provide a partial response to our data requests. For example, it is possible to approximate the percentage of patients who are White, Black, Hispanic, Asian Pacific, or Native American. It is also important to point out that undocumented aliens may be represented in any of those groups with the exception of Native American. Again, because our current issue under discussion in Fremont seems to relate largely to undocumented aliens from the Hispanic community we would offer the following:

Over the last 6 years, the percentage of Hispanic patients who have utilized FAMC has remained relatively constant in each of three service areas; 1) Emergency Care- 6%, 2) Obstetrical Care- 14% and 3) Inpatient Care- 5%.

Over the last 6 years, the percentage of Charity Care and Bad Debt expense related to Hispanic patients has remained relatively constant at about 10%. When considering the population of Fremont, the Hispanic population as a whole is approximately 10% so this stands to reason. It is important to keep in mind that the 10% figure represents all Hispanic patients;- whether they are documented or undocumented is impossible to know because the hospital is prohibited from inquiring about a patient’s resident status. The conclusion that this brings us to is that the approximate amount of Charity Care and Bad Debt Expense attributable to all Hispanic patients (whether documented or undocumented) has ranged between $300,000 and $500,000 per year, that leaves approximately $4.0 to $4.2 million dollars attributable to all other patients who utilized FAMC during that same time period.

To summarize, it appears that the use of Charity Care and Bad Debt Expense by Hispanic patients is proportional to their use of hospital services. Furthermore, we understand that from the overall increase in Charity Care and Bad Debt Expense over the past 6 years is in line with national trends.

We hope this information is useful to you and that these facts contribute to a constructive discussion and aid in making informed decisions related to Fremont’s Immigration issue.

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